If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. One comment referenced the fact that we dont have to have a medical to operate a car or any other type of transportation vehicle. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Moreover, there are strategies that will improve your chances of gaining medical certification legally and more quickly even if health is an issue. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. One of the questions is, have you ever had unconsciousness for any reason.. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. Avoid Medical Certification Delay. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. If you ever need to submit medical records to the FAA, they will review everything you give them. In other words, your health is in your hands. As a pilot for over 13 years and now an AME as of this month, I understand your concern. I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. Ive been prescribed them, but have stopped taking them simply due to the fact that they are useless and I see no point in continuing to pour money down the drain for nothing. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? Its only a matter of time. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. That resulted in the rejection of my 2010 medical! Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. Just like the annual inspection on the aircraft, when it was signed off everything was supposed to be airworthy, what happens after that is anyones guess. I Fly America I do not lie on my medical, but would love to be able to fly a 172 using a drivers licence in lieu of a class III medical. I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? Not all applicants with OSA are required to have that test. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Some do it by mistake. Id rather be flying but I dont require the FAAs approval for my activities. The Aviation Medical is the most expensive physical exam I have ever had and also the least thorough medical exam I have ever had. There are also considerations for appeal to the National Transportation Safety Board, but this option will be also be dependent on discontinuation of the disqualifying medication and your ability to develop an argument that the underlying diagnosis was not accurate. thank you, that will be $110. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. But is the whole medical certificate process flawed? You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. No. People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. I can empathize with that Louis. The FAA makes it clear what counts as a disqualifying condition. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. I love flying and if I had to give it up, I know I would feel like part of me, and who I am, has been lost. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. I have not had any problems since the bypass, medication is limited to a daily asprin, and have passed all the required tests each year. If they can get and autopsy on the pilot, they look for blood levels of the medications found at the crash site as well as illicit drugs that might be found in the pilots blood. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. They didnt even send him a letter informing him about his conduct. Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! The premise of someone getting over long-term depression is laughable. N Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. Let me start with a word of advice: DONT DO IT. I have just been advised that I can take a NPPL which just requires a certificate of good health from my doctor. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. the third class should go away. I didnt lie on my Class 3 medical, was a 55 yr. old student pilot, have since been told by several older pilots that I was honest but naive. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). Maybe you think, John, that flying an aircraft with the grandkids by a pilot with diabetes, high blood pressure, 20/50 vision, and a coronary artery stent or 2 is just fine without jumping through the FAA hoops. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Your email address will not be published. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. Duuuuuuuuuh do fat babies fart? It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. 99.999999% of pilots can and should self-certify for 3rd class flying. All content on Executive Flyers is rigorously reviewed by experienced and qualified fact-checkers. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. Do You Need A PHD To Be A Medical Scientist? Yes, they do. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. Logic dictates that if the medical requirement did not exist, the number of incapacitations would be somewhat higher. No he should not have been grounded. It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Im not dumb enough to eat a big meal then jump right into a plane for the flight back unless it is one with a toilet and someone else is flying! In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. Indeed, in 2000 the Aeromedical Certification Division granted twice as many 'special issuance' certificates to pilots who had a significant medical condition, like coronary heart disease, a valve implant, a pacemaker, or alcoholism, as it did 10 years earlier. I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. The FAA has panels of civilian medical experts for each speciality who meet regularly to review the FAA medical regulations and recommend changes based on new research. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! I avoid medical intervention like the plague. A quick examination of the many truthful and honest individuals that are truthful during their AME exams and are no barred from ever becoming a pilot! He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. Who gave the FAA the power to stop pilots from flying because they take antidepressants? It has little to do with Health. My father had passed his class 2 physical 3 weeks before having a massive heart attack and dieing at the ripe old age of 50. Bungee jumping. I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. I am unconscious every night. Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. Dont worry about getting caught unless you lie about you criminal history you will be fine. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. Anyone who would report this immediately loses their medical and has to wait a year. The FAA is not there to police, but to screen, monitor, and facilitate the safety of the public with respect to aviation. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. I just recently got my Cat 1 medical, and honestly the doctor is pretty thorough when it comes to examining his patient, everything from blood pressure to ECG. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? Not much of a medical exam, if you ask me. How is that fair? then are able to re-apply. Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. RE: Wiley Post. Therefore I go to a chiropractor every chance I get. Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. Have you asked AOPA to assist you with getting your medical back? I have patients with heart disease who are able to continue to fly on special issuance. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. HIPPA Law prevents them from looking at your medical history without your consent. If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. You miss the point. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. The only variable is about what. Dr. House. Yes, all my discussion was only applicable to private, recreational pilots, not airline or large freight liner pilots. I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. Its mode of travel, the air, makes it a lot more divertable than stuck to a road, and should make it safer, Especially as opposed to the majority of motor home drivers, that are in their later stages of life, howling down the freeway at 70 miles per hour in bumper to bumper traffic. What is 1st 2nd and 3rd class FAA medical? And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. First class medical exams can cost up to $200. 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